Zen-fire 64 bits

[MrBaffalo]

Zen-fire doesn't (actually) support 64 bits, so could you please ask and eventually provide eta or clarification on their workflow (hope you guys are closer than other to their dev team).

Thanks
Marcello

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[NinjaTrader_Dierk]

Unfortunately there is no ETA on when ZenFire would support 64bit.

[dave1992]

Do we have an update on when Ninja will incorporate the Zen Fire 64 bit API?

[NinjaTrader_Dierk]

Unfortunately not.

[dave1992]

OK, well, do you plan to put it in before the end of beta testing?

[NinjaTrader_Dierk]

Unfortunately we don't have such plans.

[dave1992]

OK, thanks.

In the spirit of communication for the many customers who use Zen Fire, could you explain why there are no plans. It's quite difficult to understand from my point of view.

Dave

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

NinjaTrader codes directly to the underlying trading engine of Zen-Fire. This was done many years ago. This lower level API does not currently support 64-bit. The Zen-Fire API in comparison which supports 64-bit, is relatively new and would require us to re-write our Zen-Fire adapter which is about a three month project from start to finish. Our priority is to get NinjaTrader 7 out the door and we do not wish to introduce any critical projects that would delay this any further than it has already.

[dave1992]

OK, thanks for the explanation.

[justme]

what's are the benefits of 64 bit zen?

[NinjaTrader_Bertrand]

You could work with the 64 bit version of NT7, however this is unfortunately not supported currently for ZenFire as outlined earlier in this thread.

[paulg]

From 6.5 to NT7...but single thread management with Zen

You could work with the 64 bit version of NT7, however this is unfortunately not supported currently for ZenFire as outlined earlier in this thread.

There is something I cannot grasp in this logic.

A good portion of us are using NT 6.5 with Zenfire and the upgrade to NT7 is the natural path.

Some the limitations of the 6.5.x as 32 bit software is the fact it locks during fast market and / or when some T&S windows are displayed, etc.. even on relatively fast PCs.
And here we're talking about feeding the software with Zenfire...

One of the feature offered by NT7 is the multithread/ multi core support.

Now most of us will be forced to use a single-thread software - the NT 7 32 bit - in order to connect with Zenfire, so does all this make sense?

Am I missing something about the benefit of NT7 in terms of reliability and speed during fast market using x64 OSes and quadcore CPUs -- even if the Zenfire (Rithmic) user with have to run NT7 under WOW64?

Thank you,
Paul

[NinjaTrader_JoshP]

paulg,

The Zen adapter currently does not support 64-bit. That is why you cannot connect to Zen when you are using 64-bit NT. You can still utilize 64-bit advantages in things like backtesting and optimization if you download your data in 32-bit mode and then go to 64-bit for actual testing.

[paulg]

paulg,

The Zen adapter currently does not support 64-bit. That is why you cannot connect to Zen when you are using 64-bit NT. You can still utilize 64-bit advantages in things like backtesting and optimization if you download your data in 32-bit mode and then go to 64-bit for actual testing.

Josh,
Thanks for the prompt reply.
It's absolutely clear that Zen feed does not support 64-bit; that's why I posted my question.

I do not use optimizations or backtesting, NT is just for charting and live trading. So this mean that we put our money on this software.

In all these months when dealing with delays on feed or slow software on 6.5, the usual reply by the tech support is 'switch off the tick calculation', 'close that T&S' , 'use less windows inside the workspace', etc..

Now it appears that if this is the scenario with the NT7 32 bit, we should expects the same issues with fast markets and T&S windows locking up the PCs.. even under x64 OS?

[NinjaTrader_JoshP]

Not sure what you mean. The same performance enhancing steps are applicable regardless of if you are using 32bit or 64bit; they are universal performance tips. The less work load you put on the system the more responsive it will be.

The base NT7 (32 or 64) already has considerable performance improvements over 6.5, but you should always utilize care in making sure your computer is not doing unnecessary calculations.