NT7 update

[velocity]

did Ray post an update over the weekend on NT7 ?

[NinjaTrader_Kyle]

Hello velocity,

Thank you for your post.

Please see the following link for the update posted on the 23rd: http://www.ninjatrader.com/webnew/NT7/NinjaTrader7.html

[Radical]

I'm pretty sure similar questions have been asked before, but I can't find them using the search function, so I'm just going to ask again: After the public beta is released, can you give a rough idea of how long it might be before a stable version is released? Is it the kind of thing that would take a few months? Or might it be more like a year or two? Just curious.

[NinjaTrader_Dierk]

>> Is it the kind of thing that would take a few months?
Likely, since that was the case with any prior NT version

[Radical]

Thanks Dierk.

[NIGHTHAWK]

>> Is it the kind of thing that would take a few months?
Likely, since that was the case with any prior NT version

Do you have any idea as to when NT7 will be out to the public?

[Radical]

Public beta is supposed to be out by end of September.

[NIGHTHAWK]

Public beta is supposed to be out by end of September.
thanks do appreciate the answer.
trade well.
NIGHTHAWK

[trader1512]

is there any information coming from ninja on this update. has it been released for limited beta to developers? when will we see the update?

i have been waiting what seems like forever to make a final decision on this product versus going over to tradestation. i am paying the quarterly fee to stay instead of the one time fee. seems to me this is like squeezing as much money out of the decision tree as possible since i have seen other posts where people are in the same holding pattern and paying the monthly fee instead of committing to the one time fee.

maybe we will get some sort of credit or discount for sticking in there.

[NinjaTrader_Kyle]

Hi trader1512,

Thank you for your post.

We are targeting a beta release by the end of September followed by a several month beta phase which historically ranged between two to three months.

You can track the development status of NinjaTrader 7 at the following link: http://www.ninjatrader.com/webnew/NT7/NinjaTrader7.html

Please let me know if you have any additional questions or if I may be of further assistance.

[trader1512]

so almost a year since the original release and now three quarterly payments to wait to see if the product is the right one for the long term.

[jrs]

I was with Tradestation for almost 8 years. Been with NT for about a year. I'll never go back...

[FulcrumTrader]

Quick question for the Ninjatrader group.....will you have NT7 running at the Online Trade Expo in Vegas (November @ Mandalay Bay) at your booth?

Also, please bring some black hats again (please reserve one for Christopher @ FulcrumTrader and I will be by the first day to chat....looking forward to it)!!! ;) :cool:


TIA!


Christopher
FulcrumTrader

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

Yes we will have NT7 running for demonstrations at LV traders expo however, I can't guarantee that we will have hats although we generally have some in limited supply.

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

i have been waiting what seems like forever to make a final decision on this product versus going over to tradestation.

I am curious, what are the specifics you are waiting to evaluate in NT7 that would aid in your decision? Anything you are willing to share is appreciated.

[5iver]

No doubt you guys don't care what I think, but I know I speak for many of your 'valued customers' when I say that this update process is amongst the most pathetic and unprofessional I have ever encountered in my long experience of such matters.

Obviously we are free to switch platforms if we don't like Ninja, but the investment of time; money; education; strategy development and indicator development that many of us have put in to our daily working application simply prohibits an easy migration. We are, to a degree, trapped in the Ninja web.

As a devoted Apple customer, I'm also trapped in their web, but they make damn sure that's not how it feels. They're software is constantly updated and improved. They make sure it works before they release it. They keep their customer base informed and reassured. They keep their promises. They deliver value.

NT 6.5 sucks. We all know it, and we make do with it in anticipation of at least incremental bug fixes and improvements. But they never come.

I trade professionally with a group of six other guys, dotted around the world. We opted for NT because it's what our trading mentor recommended when we all got together. In good faith, we invested significant time and money developing the indies we needed etc. We attended the training classes. Yet not one day goes by without one of us complaining about it. The mere process of restarting NT wipes 15mins at least off a trading day. That's money potentially lost. Why so, when it takes MT4 a mere ten seconds to quit and reboot?

Switching timeframes? A nightmare.
Loading a new Workspace? Like watching paint dry.
Remembering indicator defaults? Not possible.
Data incongruencies, Perpetual.
Corrupted indicators. Naggingly frequent, but no help finding the culprit.
Multichart window arrangement. Not possible.

The list goes on and on and on. As anyone here who's using the tool for real will attest.

Most grievances could have been ironed out piecemeal, like other software developers do it, but instead we're simply ignored or at best offered vague, empty assurances that "you're working on it".

Then, along comes a type-written page of dry, lifeless features offered up to try and stifle all the calls for information about NT7. Followed by the old caveat of "several months of beta"

WTF guys. Are you a one-man band, working out of a garage?

Where does all our money go? It sure isn't showing up in product development, is it.

Yes I'm pissed. Not least because I know I'm gonna get some lame-ass reference to that wretched "NT7 Features & Development Status" document by way of a reply to this. We all know what you're gonna say. That's the painful part. I'm hanging on because I'm obliged to, but be sure I steer as many traders away from Ninja as I can, if asked my opinion. And in my capacity as educator, I get asked A LOT. I know for a fact that others are doing the same. Can that be good for your business?

We don't want three month betas beginning end of September! We've already been waiting since the infamous "Q1 promise". This ain't rocket science. People could've written five trading platforms from sctatch in the time it's taken you to (not) go from 6.5 to 7.0

What is the REAL story?

How about some honesty, just for once?

[itguy]

I think I can answer this on their behalf.

Hi 5iver,

Thank you for your post.

We are targeting a beta release by the end of September followed by a several month beta phase which historically ranged between two to three months.

You can track the development status of NinjaTrader 7 at the following link: http://www.ninjatrader.com/webnew/NT7/NinjaTrader7.html

Please let them know if you have any additional questions or if they are not of any further assistance.

[Mindset]

Still, you have to laugh otherwise you cry.:D

[velocity]

Itguy,

LOL! that was funny.

[bridenour]

Honestly, it's not unprofessional that they wait and make sure (at least i hope they are making sure) that the next release is a high quality product. The path of least resistance would be to rush out a sub-par product, particularly in response to high pressure posts like this one. You have to realize they are probably a relatively small development shop, so its not unreasonable that most of their focus is on getting out the new version at this point.

Personally, I find 6.5 to be almost unusable for any sophisticated system programming...the features are there but most of them break down when you attempt to use them in combination with each other (backtesting problems, memory consumption, multi-time frame multi instrument problems, lack of portfolio persistence, general instability, i could go on...)

With all that being said, its not too difficult to switch to a competitor. Unfortunately, the reality is almost all of the competitive products are plagued with similar or worse problems, or they just don't even contain the features by design.

Hopefully 7.0 will not only have the features that are being advertised, but they will actually WORK. If that is the case, they will be making a quantum leap beyond the retail competition, at least for system/automated development.

We will see...in the mean time, there is no reason to go overboard with the criticism. If it's that bad, switch...pretty simple.

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

No doubt you guys don't care what I think, but I know I speak for many of your 'valued customers' when I say that this update process is amongst the most pathetic and unprofessional I have ever encountered in my long experience of such matters.

Obviously we are free to switch platforms if we don't like Ninja, but the investment of time; money; education; strategy development and indicator development that many of us have put in to our daily working application simply prohibits an easy migration. We are, to a degree, trapped in the Ninja web.

As a devoted Apple customer, I'm also trapped in their web, but they make damn sure that's not how it feels. They're software is constantly updated and improved. They make sure it works before they release it. They keep their customer base informed and reassured. They keep their promises. They deliver value.

NT 6.5 sucks. We all know it, and we make do with it in anticipation of at least incremental bug fixes and improvements. But they never come.

I trade professionally with a group of six other guys, dotted around the world. We opted for NT because it's what our trading mentor recommended when we all got together. In good faith, we invested significant time and money developing the indies we needed etc. We attended the training classes. Yet not one day goes by without one of us complaining about it. The mere process of restarting NT wipes 15mins at least off a trading day. That's money potentially lost. Why so, when it takes MT4 a mere ten seconds to quit and reboot?

Switching timeframes? A nightmare.
Loading a new Workspace? Like watching paint dry.
Remembering indicator defaults? Not possible.
Data incongruencies, Perpetual.
Corrupted indicators. Naggingly frequent, but no help finding the culprit.
Multichart window arrangement. Not possible.

The list goes on and on and on. As anyone here who's using the tool for real will attest.

Most grievances could have been ironed out piecemeal, like other software developers do it, but instead we're simply ignored or at best offered vague, empty assurances that "you're working on it".

Then, along comes a type-written page of dry, lifeless features offered up to try and stifle all the calls for information about NT7. Followed by the old caveat of "several months of beta"

WTF guys. Are you a one-man band, working out of a garage?

Where does all our money go? It sure isn't showing up in product development, is it.

Yes I'm pissed. Not least because I know I'm gonna get some lame-ass reference to that wretched "NT7 Features & Development Status" document by way of a reply to this. We all know what you're gonna say. That's the painful part. I'm hanging on because I'm obliged to, but be sure I steer as many traders away from Ninja as I can, if asked my opinion. And in my capacity as educator, I get asked A LOT. I know for a fact that others are doing the same. Can that be good for your business?

We don't want three month betas beginning end of September! We've already been waiting since the infamous "Q1 promise". This ain't rocket science. People could've written five trading platforms from sctatch in the time it's taken you to (not) go from 6.5 to 7.0

What is the REAL story?

How about some honesty, just for once?

I see that you are extremely pissed. I will just get to the point.

- We have told you the real story and have never been dishonest
- To sum it up
- We are late --> No excuses
- We did not communicate this early enough
- In June we communicated our development plan and a moving target date of end of September for an initial beta release
- As of this post, we are still on track for that
- Our historical beta periods our around three months long

We bit off a lot of items in NT7 and we just underestimated the development time. It's that simple. I hope you don't switch platforms and stay with us however there is nothing more than the list of the "dry features" that you referenced when we come out with NT7.

[5iver]

Honestly, it's not unprofessional that they wait and make sure (at least i hope they are making sure) that the next release is a high quality product.

Of course not. And I hate it when people mouth off prematurely. But this ain't exactly "rushing out a sub-par product" is it. Ray has since responded, with an honest "we're late", which is cool. I just don't understand why individual issues couldn't have been incrementally addressed over the last two years, rather than one, giant, critical upgrade. I'm not going to bang on about it any more.

Personally, I find 6.5 to be almost unusable for any sophisticated system programming...the features are there but most of them break down when you attempt to use them in combination with each other (backtesting problems, memory consumption, multi-time frame multi instrument problems, lack of portfolio persistence, general instability, i could go on...)

Need I say more. Now ALL the responsibility is on this ONE upgrade, which puts so much pressure on them, it's crazy.

With all that being said, its not too difficult to switch to a competitor. Unfortunately, the reality is almost all of the competitive products are plagued with similar or worse problems, or they just don't even contain the features by design.

No, it's perfectly possible to switch, as I said in my original rant, but as you also point out, it's often out of the frying pan...

Hopefully 7.0 will not only have the features that are being advertised, but they will actually WORK. If that is the case, they will be making a quantum leap beyond the retail competition, at least for system/automated development.

Which is why I'm still here. But I've paid good money, I feel entitled to one good moan, no?

We will see...in the mean time, there is no reason to go overboard with the criticism. If it's that bad, switch...pretty simple.

I refer respectfully to your own, previous comments.

[5iver]

I see that you are extremely pissed. I will just get to the point.

- We have told you the real story and have never been dishonest
- To sum it up
- We are late --> No excuses
- We did not communicate this early enough
- In June we communicated our development plan and a moving target date of end of September for an initial beta release
- As of this post, we are still on track for that
- Our historical beta periods our around three months long

We bit off a lot of items in NT7 and we just underestimated the development time. It's that simple. I hope you don't switch platforms and stay with us however there is nothing more than the list of the "dry features" that you referenced when we come out with NT7.


Thank you Ray. I'm not going to be one of those morons who keeps banging on about it. I said my piece. I look forward to NT7. What are the qualifications for becoming a beta tester? I'll put the hours in, if that's what it takes.

[T2020]

Will the vertical line drawing tool (F7)cross into lower panes in NT 7 ?
I mean without having to draw a 2nd or 3rd line to show it in Lower panes .

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

Will the vertical line drawing tool (F7)cross into lower panes in NT 7 ?
I mean without having to draw a 2nd or 3rd line to show it in Lower panes .

Unfortunately not, the behaviour will be the same as 6.5.

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

Thank you Ray. I'm not going to be one of those morons who keeps banging on about it. I said my piece. I look forward to NT7. What are the qualifications for becoming a beta tester? I'll put the hours in, if that's what it takes.

I appreciate the offer. At this time, its unclear if we will open up beta to anyone or to a limited set of a few hundred users during the 1st phase. If the latter, just send a note to support to my attention once we release information on how we will rollout the 1st beta.

[JS999]

I appreciate the offer. At this time, its unclear if we will open up beta to anyone or to a limited set of a few hundred users during the 1st phase. If the latter, just send a note to support to my attention once we release information on how we will rollout the 1st beta.

I strongly suggest that you open it up to anyone. I fail to see why you should limit the beta to only a few hundred users, given that you should want to get as much testing done as possible in the least amount of time. All that's going to happen if you roll it out to a limited group is that you're going to delay finding out about some bugs - the more people you have using this thing, the faster the problems will be found and therefore fixed. Besides, this is the first I am hearing of a "limited" beta, which is sounding suspiciously like another backtrack, Ray. You promised us a public beta at the end of September or thereabouts - DELIVER IT. Whatever state it is in, we will all test it. I don't even care if you're a week or two late - but I want a public version of this software to use by the middle of October at the absolute latest... just get it done.

[marketmasher]

I am looking forward to ver 7 also. However, I don't think it is unreasonable to limit the first roll-out to what is hopefully a group of astute programmers. From having done some programming in the past, end-users are all of different skill levels, and the more inexperienced ones can often report back a bug that is actually a user error. The lack of knowledgeable filtering can lead to a deluge of non-issues. Those at a higher level of knowledge and experience will object to being lumped into that category, but this doesn't apply to them. The screening process for level of sophistication can be tricky though.

[JS999]

I am looking forward to ver 7 also. However, I don't think it is unreasonable to limit the first roll-out to what is hopefully a group of astute programmers. From having done some programming in the past, end-users are all of different skill levels, and the more inexperienced ones can often report back a bug that is actually a user error. The lack of knowledgeable filtering can lead to a deluge of non-issues. Those at a higher level of knowledge and experience will object to being lumped into that category, but this doesn't apply to them. The screening process for level of sophistication can be tricky though.

Ray promised us a public beta, he never said anything about a limited roll-out until now. And they already are rolling it out to their partners earlier, so that fits the description of a limited group of "astute programmers" that you are talking about. In any case, since I have programming and software design knowledge I would be a good beta tester so I would suggest that they consider me as part of their initial group even if they don't release it to everyone.... but I still think that they should live up to their promises and release it to the public on time.

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

Ray promised us a public beta, he never said anything about a limited roll-out until now. And they already are rolling it out to their partners earlier, so that fits the description of a limited group of "astute programmers" that you are talking about. In any case, since I have programming and software design knowledge I would be a good beta tester so I would suggest that they consider me as part of their initial group even if they don't release it to everyone.... but I still think that they should live up to their promises and release it to the public on time.

Historically, we have always released public beta in waves. We may do this again we may not, I have not made that decision yet. I understand where you are coming from however it is not accurate to say that the more people testing the faster we will uncover issues. Quite the opposite. The more people testing, the more effort goes into reviewing each and every reported incident and we can quickly get overwhelmed and make no progress. We can have anywhere up to 16,000 active users using our software a day. If even a small portion of this base decided to test out NT7 and start reporting issues we could easily get overwhelmed.

In any case, if I decide a wave rollout is warranted, I am happy to include you in the 1st wave.

[JS999]

Historically, we have always released public beta in waves. We may do this again we may not, I have not made that decision yet. I understand where you are coming from however it is not accurate to say that the more people testing the faster we will uncover issues. Quite the opposite. The more people testing, the more effort goes into reviewing each and every reported incident and we can quickly get overwhelmed and make no progress. We can have anywhere up to 16,000 active users using our software a day. If even a small portion of this base decided to test out NT7 and start reporting issues we could easily get overwhelmed.

In any case, if I decide a wave rollout is warranted, I am happy to include you in the 1st wave.

Alright, I guess that's good enough... either way I am waiting to see what you guys have coded up!

[ryker]

Ray,
What would be the criteria to be included in the first beta wave then? I'd like to be included in it if possible.
I have been using NT for almost 2 years (have live strategies running now), have a good programming knowledge, a deep understanding of the advanced order management (using IOrder and IExecution for scale in/out, etc...) and would really like to try my code on the new unmanaged order submission.

Thanks!

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

Ray,
What would be the criteria to be included in the first beta wave then? I'd like to be included in it if possible.
I have been using NT for almost 2 years (have live strategies running now), have a good programming knowledge, a deep understanding of the advanced order management (using IOrder and IExecution for scale in/out, etc...) and would really like to try my code on the new unmanaged order submission.

Thanks!

Thanks for volunteering...If we decide to roll it out in waves, then the criteria will be 1st come 1st serve approach, that's what we have always done in the past. At this time, there will be limited amounts of documentation on the new NS stuff, this will be WIP over the next few months during beta. The unmanaged stuff is real simple so we likely would include a few comments on this.

[Radical]

Please count me in for the 1st wave of beta as well. But know that I don't use Ninja Script and don't know anything about programming, so if you think my spot would be better used by someone who is a programmer, then I'll pass on the first part of the beta so someone more qualified can test it.

[DangerBoy]

Having worked in the software industry myself as a coder/designer/analyst/project manager for many years I have to 100% agree with MarketMasher, releasing a first beta to everyone does not speed up issue resolution as it creates a deluge of non issues being reported by a mass of inexperienced users that are not able to file a proper case report with examples logs and traces etc.

I don't think this board is the place for people to come and vent there trading frustrations, there were calls for an update list and Ray has given us this, he has outlined a rough schedule for release of beta and we've been told it's on track albeit any unforeseen issues, this is end of September. There are some other trading platform support boards where one doesn't even get a reply to a standard support question for a week.

Regards the list itself being refferred to as a dry list of updates, I think this is totally unfair on the Ninja Team, in my opinion NT7 with the new features listed will be a quantum leap forward and will put it at the front of the pack again. I for one feel that we have waited this long, we can wait a little bit longer to ensure this rollout is a success, as we all have a vested interest in NT, the last thing that anyone wants is for a bunch of inexperienced users to start generating bad press that the new NT7 is unstable and give a bad rep to the product before it has even reached the final release version. This seems quite possible given some of the comments, I wonder if some even understand what the point of a beta release is.

I think it would be wise to be planning for a Jan 2010 in your trading plans for an actual final release, if we get there sooner then that is a bonus. If it comes to that date and there is not significant progress then perhaps other options should be looked at. For the time being I think it would be good to have less of the mouthing off and let the guys do what they need to do.

Just my 2 cents.

[hemlock]

Ray,

I would also like to be included in the first wave of the beta.

Thank you,
Ken

[Shansen]

DangerBoy,

A solid post (09-19-2009, 07:14 PM).
I concur with your sentiments. Well spoken.


Shannon

[paulchow2k]

DangerBoy,
A solid post (09-19-2009, 07:14 PM).
I concur with your sentiments. Well spoken.
Shannon

I second that. In the mean time, I've been sharpening my trading skills which is what trading is all about. The tool is certainly one of the traders arson but not the only one. Skill I think is more important.

What's the use of having a great tool but still can't trade. That's a waste of one's time.

Paul

[richa61416]

Hello, With 8 more days remaining to the end of the month, I am just checking to see if we are on schedule. I know end of Month is not a hard date, but really want to start testing out Ninja V7. Tick and Range testing take too long with 6.5. Would I be lucky enough to have a beta version for next weekend? or Mid October? How are you doing on a first beta release plan for us users.

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

Hello, With 8 more days remaining to the end of the month, I am just checking to see if we are on schedule. I know end of Month is not a hard date, but really want to start testing out Ninja V7. Tick and Range testing take too long with 6.5. Would I be lucky enough to have a beta version for next weekend? or Mid October? How are you doing on a first beta release plan for us users.

I will provide an update this coming weekend.

[richa61416]

I will provide an update this coming weekend.


OK. Will be looking forward to the update. Hoping for a favourable response(Like a link to try it out hahaha).

[trader1512]

im happy to hear theres a software develper out there supporting this farce. this update will be what, a year behind. in the meantime, we have no idea if anything we have developed over this span of time will be usable. we have spent going on four quarterly fees which could have been a lifetime license.

as a program manager if i were to produce these kind of results for my clients, in this case that is us to NT, i would have been fired.

if they knew what they were doing then they would have scaled this to what was deliverable and not gotten into something that seems beyond thier capabilities.

what kind of confidence can we have that what ever they deliver is going to be of value and not a problem for our daily trading.

yes, trading goes beyond the tools. unfortunately, NT is a significant tool set in our trading. now that the summer is over it would be nice to be actively trading knowing that stability exists in our tools.

Do you really have the confidence that once this is released its not going to affect you on a daily basis.

[Eastbank]

I completely agree with Dangerboy. I am trading live with the current version and it is working fine for me. Whenever I have had a question for support I have had an answer back within 24hrs, which is excellent.

Of course I am looking forward to NT7, but fussing about this issue seems to me to be unrealistic and immature. When NT7 comes out I will be using it to trade my hard earned money. I want the boys (and girls) at Ninja to take their time and make sure it is tested properly before releasing it.

So please, stop fussing about NT7 and get on trading with the current version. Fantasizing and complaining about NT7 seems to me to display the same character as fantasizing about that great winning trade in the future or complaining about your losses and blaming them on everything else except yourself. If you focus on your trading and forget about NT7 it will come along soon enough, and you will have made money in the meantime.

[JS999]

I completely agree with Dangerboy. I am trading live with the current version and it is working fine for me. Whenever I have had a question for support I have had an answer back within 24hrs, which is excellent.

That's nice, but it's NOT working fine for me, and for a lot of other people. I am forced to run 3 extra copies of this thing in virtual machines because the performance is so bad with multiple charts open, and it doesn't take advantage of multiple core CPUs. There are also issues with stability and occasional crashes. I have had to reformat my PC and tried installing different OSes about 4 times because of this thing. NT 6.5 has cost me probably 300 hours of my time due to all of the issues that I have had to work around because it is so poorly constructed. So no, it is NOT "fine". Good for you that you haven't had problems... maybe you're not scalping a heavy volume volatile instrument like CL, and maybe you don't have a lot of charts open, so you don't notice these problems. There are a hell of a lot of improvements that I am waiting for, and the most important is stability and performance. Even getting a piece of Beta software to run in my VMs instead of NT 6.5 is going to help me significantly if the performance is better... that's why people are so impatient. If NT 6.5 actually worked right, I wouldn't be having these issues and I couldn't care less when their beta was released... but that is NOT the case.

[darthtrader]

Personally, I'm sick of all the cry babies on this board.
No one is a medieval serf here tied to the land.. If things are so bad then go find another solution. The reality is though you probly are not able to find another solution and that is why some clearly angry people are still around but the constant bitching is not going to help the matter.
You are perfectly free, especially if your in the software business to hire some people to write you your own custom software and be done with all this.
Then you can have some programmers at your whim 24/7...you won't have to pull your hair out over a beta release date...the software will do whatever you want it to do.
If you don't want to pony up the expense for such a project then too bad, your in the same boat as everyone else here.

[JS999]

Personally, I'm sick of all the cry babies on this board.
No one is a medieval serf here tied to the land.. If things are so bad then go find another solution. The reality is though you probly are not able to find another solution and that is why some clearly angry people are still around but the constant bitching is not going to help the matter.
You are perfectly free, especially if your in the software business to hire some people to write you your own custom software and be done with all this.
Then you can have some programmers at your whim 24/7...you won't have to pull your hair out over a beta release date...the software will do whatever you want it to do.
If you don't want to pony up the expense for such a project then too bad, your in the same boat as everyone else here.

The point is that we have had promises that the software was going to be out "soon" for some time now... the latest was the June situation where they pulled the rug out from under us at the very last minute. I don't care if they had stated early on that it was going to take this long, that would have been fine... but the way that they gave out a date and then changed it at the last minute is the issue, because it kept people hanging on and waiting. I will give them credit for their updates in the last 3 months, and since that little stunt in June I have really had no problems with them... but that's only because they improved their communication with us, which they should have done right from the beginning.

In any case, people have a right to be upset when a company makes promises and then doesn't fulfill them and switches things at the very last minute with no warning. Some people were making plans whether to stay or go based on that June release date, and it's not at all cool how they handled it, especially since they probably knew that they were slipping a lot sooner than they told us. You don't just figure out that you're going to miss a release date by 3 months at the last minute... they should have known that by May at the latest. This whole "don't-complain-and-just-take-it-or-leave-it" attitude that some people on this board are suggesting we adopt is a bunch of garbage. I would have probably gone somewhere else about 6 months ago if I had known it was going to take this long, but because they kept us hanging on until the last minute in June, I didn't do that and as a result I am still waiting, as are a number of other people. You might want to go back and check how some of the customer service reps on this site were saying in the middle of June "yep, we're still on track, beta will be out in two weeks". That is the type of thing that got people upset.

In any case, let's give them credit as I said for fixing their communication over the past few months, as it is a lot better now. Most of my complaints have to do with the past, not with the way that things have been handled in recent times.

[Candara]

I will provide an update this coming weekend.

Hm... where is an update?

[richa61416]

Hm... where is an update?

They probably forgot the update. They have not been timely with that. I expect a short line update:: We are on schedule, no major issues seen. Will update you shortly on the release date.


Also to the many people who are saying relax and be patient, when you make a promise to your customers in a business, you should try and adhere to it as much as possible. Good customer Service comprises of delivery and communication, whether the product is good or bad, the service is key.

All we are saying is they may be great programmers, have a good product, but delivery and communication of this product is behind schedule, and could have been greatly improved.

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

I provided an update this morning.

[mrpowerballad]

Thanks Ray

[NinjaTrader_Ray]

I just wanted to point out that once we release our beta, this does NOT mean that it is advised that you start using it as a primary platform and especially not for live trading. I know that many of you are anxious to get started with it but bear in mind that it IS BETA which means "Danger...Proceed at your own risk....User beware. There are many bugs and issues etc..."

[Alfred]

Hi...how do you get to the NT7 release update news from Ray ??

Thanks...

[NinjaTrader_Dierk]

You would find them here: http://www.ninjatrader-support2.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18240

[Larry22]

I don't see any update on Ninja 7 as of today, so did I missed something here as Ray said earlier that he posted an update.

Thanks

[JS999]

I don't see any update on Ninja 7 as of today, so did I missed something here as Ray said earlier that he posted an update.

Thanks

http://www.ninjatrader.com/webnew/NT7/NinjaTrader7.html

[duck_CA]

i agree with bitchin and complaining about something just adds to the frustration. As a person who shelled out $995 close to 2 yrs ago i am frustrated with this situation. would i have dropped ninja for another platform? no....why? because i ain't spending another damn dime on charts. end of story....

ninja...hurry up dude!

[Larry22]

http://www.ninjatrader.com/webnew/NT7/NinjaTrader7.html

Just like I stated, last update is dated September 13th so nothing new as Ray said he updated it as of Today. :eek:

Forgot to mention I am in no way complaining just asking for an update as of Today of when possible Beta release.

Thanks

[NinjaTrader_Kyle]

Hi Larry22,

Thank you for your reply.

The update is posted. Please clear your cache and browsing history, then access the page again.

[Larry22]

TY, now I see the update.

P.S I'm using Ninjatrader for live trades so I'm in no hurry to beta test it. :D

I will wait a month or 2 to make sure it is stable enough to use it for live trades. :)

[trader_rick1234]

That's great that the beta is rolling out Oct 12. Do you guys have any idea when it will be more available. I'll let other more experienced people express interest since it would better serve the project. (Not that I would qualify anyway). :)

Any timeline on when us more noobish (but just as eager) people can take it for a spin? How long does this normally take? I mean rollouts?

[maxima]

I would like to offer my help as a beta tester. I am MCSD.NET with 20+ yrs of experiece. I am interested in strategy analyzer testing in particular.

thank you.

[marketmasher]

The final release date would depend on issues encountered during the betas of course, but it's sounding like a general release is somewhere in December from the way things are shaping up. It doesn't matter to me, other than I was postponing a purchase of some supporting software for another platform. Now I see that I will likely get at least 1 Q usage out of it, so it makes sense for me to buy it. It won't do what NT7 looks like it can do, but I'll have to make do until 7 is out to evaluate.